Dorje Shugden’s Divination

It’s glad to know that the tradition of Dorje Shugden divination practice is well preserved and and still exist. This divination is to help us to overcome our obstacles and not just the person who does the divination must have great samaya but the person who ask for divination must have great faith too in order to follow through the advice from the result of the divination.

It’s just like we see doctor for our sickness. After the doctor has checked on s will prescribe medication for us to heal. If we don’t follow what the doctor advice we will not get heal and we can’t blame the doctor. In this case it’s the enlightened being that giving us the prescription which is much high level than a doctor that can see our future. So we should have great devotion and faith if we have decided to ask for divination else it will not be effective.

After reading this article, i am confuse. i was thinking it looks like the advise given by the guru or whatever the guru asked us to do are some sort of divination. but we tend to believe more of divination. Just like Pastor Moh Mei mentioned if we believe our Guru and Buddha is one, we don’t need the divination.

I have heard about divination many years ago, and yes, divination is not just for High Lamas to do, it also appear that a normal person can also do divination for others, but that person who did divination must keep their practice very intact, must keep their guru samaya very clean, because if one of this was broken, divination did by that person will not be accurate anymore, therefore, keeping our practice well is very important.

To me, Divination is mainly meant for other people and not for a Dharma student, because a Dharma student already have the protection and blessing from their guru, the instructions their guru gave them is already the divination done for the student and that student must comply. Our guru can see our past, present and future, when he asked us to do something, that means it will benefit us in every way.

I have witness myself many years ago when H.E. the 25th Tsem Rinpoche scolded one of his student as he has went off track, the things that Rinpoche said to him, and later on when Rinpoche did a dice divination, it appear exactly the same as what Rinpoche said earlier. hence, it showed that when we trust our guru and follow through his instructions, we don’t even need to do any divination, because if we could not follow our guru’s instruction, how can we make sure we can follow the instruction from the divination.

Perhaps I can give my opinion to the comments by Pastor Moh Mei and June.

Divinations help those who are sincere by clearing their worldly obstacles for their dharma practice, paving a smooth path towards their spiritual journey.

If we trust and believe in our root guru, then the guru’s advice is final, we do not need divinations. But most of us do not hence the guru, out of humility, performs divinations for us. It shows the degree of our faith and trust – we trust a god more than our guru. A god who we cannot see. Yet we disregard the advice of our guru who had chosen a human form to teach and guide us on our dharma practices.

As I read through this article on Dorje Shugden divination, I kept thinking how kind the enlightened Protector is to give us an avenue to overcome our obstacles. Usually its is in great distress that people would request for divination and the Protector would prescribe a set of necessary advice that must be followed, be it puja, donations, etc. Anything that will help you to gain the necessary merits to overcome the obstacles faced. The advice will always be within your ability albeit sometimes painfully. For someone miserly, it may to give away a huge amount of money which probably hurt his miserly nature but still within his capabilities. Of course, after asking, it would be foolish to not follow the advice given as it will create more karma for you to not have solutions to problems or your problems will grow bigger.

The person who is qualified to do the dice divination of Dorje Shugden must be much admired. The qualifying requirements certainly will need someone with great stability and compassionate motivation to fulfil. As the article said, it is not just for the ability to divine but with the motivation of helping others in need. How noble!

Thank you DorjeShugden.org for sharing this interesting article and may we have our own-grown Divination Master who compassionately take on the role to help others.

Thank you for this informative article on Dorje Shugden divination with the spiritual explanation about the authentic divination texts, what make the divination accurate, and the purpose or right motivation to engage in the retreats.

I have heard many and experienced myself about the accuracy of H.E. Tsem Rinpoche’s diviation and whoever follow through the divination result and instructions have the obstacles cleared and problems solved. As a student or the person who requested a divination, he/she should have faith in the Guru and Protector, and to follow through the instructions, then only their problems can be solved, thus whatever helps your lama or the master or the Protector wishes to bestowed upon you can be effective.

谢谢仁波切的分享。

在藏传佛教中， 有很多特别的方式可以帮助别人， 其中一个就是通过多杰雄登占卜。 在这里提到其实要得到多杰雄登占卜的传承并不是高僧的特权， 反之， 如果你有帮助人的意愿， 你们都可以进行前行来得到占卜的传承。

当然文章中有提到， 我们进行前行并不只是单单是要得到占卜的传承那么少， 我们的发心还是要如普贤行愿品或是菩提道次第中的发心 ，可以成佛救度众生。

文章里也有提到， 如果你已经得到多杰雄登占卜的传承， 你每半年都需要进行闭关。 仁波切曾经说过， 占卜是占卜师与要求占卜者的恶业直接对抗， 如果占卜师的功德不够的话可能占卜过程会不太顺利。

当然如果要求占卜者平时有在做佛法修持或工作， 与上师的三昧耶非常清净的话占卜过程都会非常顺利。

谢谢。